Bakemonogatari Episode 12 Discussion

11/10.


@Zarutaku Is your life worth living?

@aurora_yuuki Sure, why not.

@Zarutaku Enviable. I wish mine was too.

@aurora_yuuki What makes it not worth it?

@Zarutaku Every single thing. I don't like my parents, nor who I am. I'm expendable.

@aurora_yuuki Well, I'm expandable too, and there's a lot I don't like about myself, but I can still enjoy a few things, so it's worth more than death.

@Zarutaku Expendable*.


Which means that unlike me, there are things in your life that circumvents your negative emotions and makes you feel like your life is worth living.


That is what I was denoting to.

Yes, my daydreams and my libido.

@Zarutaku What are your daydreams like?

@aurora_yuuki Lovely, wholesome, joyful, taboo, exciting, open-minded and free of restrictions.

@Zarutaku Full of adjectives—sounds like the kind of daydream a person with incestuous fetishes would have.

@aurora_yuuki Right, although incest is hardly a fetish, it's much more than that, incest is the most intense and wholesome form of love there is,
almost everyone who voluntarily engaged in incest has confirmed this.

@Zarutaku Then why is it forbidden and rejected universally by all cults and religion? Why is it frowned upon if that was true?

@aurora_yuuki Probably to prevent that it becomes the norm, which could lead to inbreeding depression.

@Zarutaku In a futuristic hypothetical scenario, there emerged a deadly virus worldwide that has wiped out almost all of mankind, save for your sister and you. Because you two had undergone cryosurgery for nearly half a century, the virus could not use your bodies as a host, hence you both survived the mass extinction event.


You and your sister wake up, only to find no one else around you. And eventually, you two discover that you're the last remnants of mankind.


What do you do?

@aurora_yuuki I doubt we could even survive without anyone else, but assuming we somehow could, then I would leave her the choice to make babies or let humankind go extinct. I'm not a rapist, so if she refused then farewell humankind.

@Zarutaku I think you'd make a move first and want to persuade her to make babies~

Besides, no one would be there to judge whatever you two did. This whole 12,742 kilometred Earth would only belong to you both. You could get away with anything you did~

I think she'd give in eventually.

@aurora_yuuki I would show my willingness, but I wouldn't pressure her, so ultimately it would be up to her.

@Zarutaku You'd graduate from virginity if she gives in~

Not every guy loses their virginity to their blood-related sister~

You'd be one in a million~

It happens far more often than that, easily more than one in a hundred, they just don't tell outsiders about it to avoid detrimental consequences.

@Zarutaku Valid point. Yet you didn't happen to be amongst those one in a hundred~

Why is that?

@aurora_yuuki Because she seemingly doesn't like me that way, for most people who are attracted to a family member it's a one-sided love, like mine.

@Zarutaku And over 80% of the time, it's the male who falls for the sibling of opposite sex. Why is that either?


Why doesn't she like you that way but you do?

Never heard of that before, I doubt this percentage, based on the many real incest stories I have read it's fairly balanced.

Don't know, I never asked her, because that would be equal to a love confession.

@Zarutaku Is that so bad? Maybe she'll admit something~

Great episode, love it

@aurora_yuuki Seems too likely to be rejected, and I get heartbroken easily, I don't want to experience that.

@Zarutaku Does that mean you're too easy to trust?

@nirererin Aww, I remembered you. What a coincidence.

@aurora_yuuki Not sure what you mean, what does rejection and heartbreak have to do with trust?

@Zarutaku Oh, they do have something in common~

You could e.g., get your heart broken because someone you put your trust into has betrayed your trust.

Or maybe they didn't live up to your expectations? There exists a plethora of feasibilities~

@aurora_yuuki You went a step further than I thought, sure I would be heartbroken from betrayal, that's why I'm not that easy to trust, I actually have trust issues, because I heard many stories of men who got betrayed or ditched after long term commitment, I rather stay single than experience this.

That's another reason why incest relationships are great, because both sides know if they betray the other, they not only lose a partner but also family.
That's why incest relationships are much more stable and long-lasting than outcest relationships, there is much less betrayal and rarely a break-up.

@Zarutaku Wow... I never thought I'd feel this way.

I actually wholeheartedly acquiesce with you. May just be because I myself have trust issues, so could therefore relate.

Barring the "outcest" term. That's new.

@aurora_yuuki "outcest" is derived from outbreeding, which is the opposite of inbreeding. The term is rarely used though, "non-incest" is more common.

That said, even though I have trust issues, I still feel a need of wanting to trust a woman, making myself vulnerable to her, give my heart into her hands.
I have done this once, but it didn't lead to the outcome I hoped for, which made me feel stupid and heartbroken.
That's why I love reading real incest stories, they restore my faith in true love.

Yes, it's the same with my daydreams, that will most likely never become real.

Unfortunately true.

Many times.

@Zarutaku Nil times for me, so I (unfortunately) couldn't relate.

But I've always wondered for the longest time — how is it like? Being in love...

I do believe being loved back by the person you love is the best feeling ever. Not that I've experienced it, and may never.

@aurora_yuuki Not sure if it can be described if you never felt it yourself. It's basically a specific mixture of hormones being released in the body.
If you never felt it, then maybe you have some kind of hormonal problem? Some medical examinations seem advisable to find the reason.

@Zarutaku Maybe that is why I'm often being called an alien by my peers, just because I'm abnormal by their standards.

I want to hear your elucidation of it, since you've experienced it yourself — so there's room for credibility.

@aurora_yuuki Well, it's a pleasant and sometimes a little uneasy feeling, somewhat similar to an enjoyable kind of nervousness, and if it's strong enough then it can make the body tremble a little because of the many hormones. It makes you feel very happy and motivated, makes you want to be together with your loved one, and makes you like almost everything about them, even their flaws. It's metaphorical glue for building a relationship.

@Zarutaku perks up ears catlike


What else?